Re: paleonet The threat of the Publishing Crises to Paleontology

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"Re Palarch

1. Yes, if you're a vertebrate palaeontologist."

The chairman would be happy to start an issue on invertebrate palaeontology 
in PalArch.
Will you volunteer to direct it?


"2. 'Palaeontologica Electronica' and 'Carnets de Géologie' have been
going for longer than Palarch, I think they deserve a mention first."

Whatever any electronic journal that provides space for our science deserves 
mention equally.
If you already think that a jurnal deserves more than other, you add 
prestige unequally, so you contradict with yourself, and exbiti total 
bigotry!



I of course would support Society and online-only journals ahead of
Elsevier etc. However, regarding online journals, there is a big
problem. For researchers at the start of their careers, who don't have a
nice permanent job, at the minute electronic-only journals are not an
option. It's not about the readership, it's about impact factor and
prestige. If my CV has two Palaeo Electronica papers and one Carnets de
Géologie paper on it, and someone else's CV has, say, one Precambrian
Research and two EPSL papers, I'm not in with a chance if we both apply
for the same job or grant. People go straight to the journal titles - I
suppose they think it's the best measure of a paper's worth. So when I
come to publish it'll be Palaeontology and Journal of the Geological
Society - if they get rejected by Nature, obviously ;-)
I would of course fully support the online journals, I read both of
those I mentioned plus a few others, and hopefully I will publish in
them in the future. But until established researchers start publishing
important papers in them, and ISI impact factor goes up, it's not an
option, sadly."

I totally agree unfortunatelly!

!Oh, and you can't really ignore papers in Elsevier journals. But don't
submit papers to them, don't subscribe to them, and don't review for
them should be enough. If enough people do it. Boycotting Elsevier was
first mentioned to me two years ago, and it doesn't seem to be working
so far.

Breandán!

That would be great, but, mention this to all the guys that are in charge of 
departments and are to maintain prestige contract with editorials, 
funding.......





Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms

Please, send letters to:

55, Marksbury Road
Bedminster
Bristol BS3 5JY
England
European Community
cogombra@hotmail.com














From: BreandÃ¡n MacGabhann <breandan@campus.ie>
Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
Subject: Re: paleonet The threat of the Publishing Crises to Paleontology
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:34:30 +0000

Re Palarch

1. Yes, if you're a vertebrate palaeontologist.

2. 'Palaeontologica Electronica' and 'Carnets de Géologie' have been going 
for longer than Palarch, I think they deserve a mention first.

I of course would support Society and online-only journals ahead of Elsevier 
etc. However, regarding online journals, there is a big problem. For 
researchers at the start of their careers, who don't have a nice permanent 
job, at the minute electronic-only journals are not an option. It's not 
about the readership, it's about impact factor and prestige. If my CV has 
two Palaeo Electronica papers and one Carnets de Géologie paper on it, and 
someone else's CV has, say, one Precambrian Research and two EPSL papers, 
I'm not in with a chance if we both apply for the same job or grant. People 
go straight to the journal titles - I suppose they think it's the best 
measure of a paper's worth. So when I come to publish it'll be Palaeontology 
and Journal of the Geological Society - if they get rejected by Nature, 
obviously ;-)
I would of course fully support the online journals, I read both of those I 
mentioned plus a few others, and hopefully I will publish in them in the 
future. But until established researchers start publishing important papers 
in them, and ISI impact factor goes up, it's not an option, sadly.

Oh, and you can't really ignore papers in Elsevier journals. But don't 
submit papers to them, don't subscribe to them, and don't review for them 
should be enough. If enough people do it. Boycotting Elsevier was first 
mentioned to me two years ago, and it doesn't seem to be working so far.

Breandán




----- Original Message -----
From: "Xavier Panades I Blas" <cogombra@hotmail.com>
To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
Subject: Re: paleonet The threat of the Publishing Crises to Paleontology
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:24:45 +0000

 >
 > Hi,
 >
 >
 >
 > An alternative to such problem has already been applied: PalArch
 > foundation (http://www.palarch.nl/).
 > A journal in electronic format only and free to download the three
 > first month. The people involved are recognised scientits, and the
 > articles review is quick. Hence, cheap to produce, easy to obtain
 > and published, and very enviromentalist.
 >
 >
 > I would re-fine the problem as "paleonet The threat of the
 > PRESTIGIAL Publishing Crises to Paleontology"
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