Re: paleonet Discussion: Anglo-Saxon Science versus the rest of the world

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Dear Xavier,

Speaking for myself I would tell you the following:

I personally do not care which country you were born in. (I was born near 29.5N 98.5W within the boundaries of Fort Sam Houston in the city of San Antonio in Bexar County in the state of Texas in the United States of America.)

I personally do not care which country you reside in. (I reside near 41.1N 85.1W in the city of Fort Wayne in Allen County in the state of Indiana in the United States of America.)

I personally do not care which universities you attended. (BS, 1982, the University of Alabama in Birmingham (UAB); MS, 1989, the University of Alabama [Tuscaloosa] (UA); failed Ph.D. attempt, 1985-1990, the University of Nebraska, Lincoln (UNL); Ph.D., 2001, University of Alabama [Tuscaloosa])

I personally do not care which language you use to publish your research. (I only speak, read, and write in the Southern form of the American variation of the English language.)

I personally do not care which taxon or taxa you have chosen to study. (I study Paleozoic reef communities.)

I personally do not care how short or long your hair is. (Mine is quite long.)

I personally do not care if you have numerous tattoos. (I have none, but once in a while I ponder having the line drawing of the Western Escarpment of the Guadalupe Mountains published by Dr. Philip B. King (1948) tattooed on my left arm.)

I personally do not care if you are a male paleontologist or a female paleontologist. (I am a male paleontologist.)

I personally do not care if you have a physical handicap. (I have a couple, the details of which are unimportant here.)

I personally do not care which form of political thought you subscribe to. (I am a Democrat.)

I do, however, care about many things. A few of these things are:

1. the quality of your science

2. whether or not you are a good educator

3. the strength of your professional ethic, and

4. whether or not you can communicate with me without also offending me.

Your recent post clearly indicates you have a drum to beat about Anglo-Saxon science and the Anglo-Saxon paleontologist.

I suggest you address us openly with your thesis rather than couching these matters as an informal opinion poll.

In using this approach you are not communicating honestly and openly with me, and I find that offensive.

I would like to suggest your restart this discussion by presenting your position about how the Anglo-Saxon paleontologist has dominated the science and marginalized all other paleontologists in the world.

If you were unwilling to do that I would politely ask you to shut up about this matter.

Christopher J. Crow

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 03:37 AM, Xavier Panades I Blas wrote:

Hi everybody,Discussion: Anglo-Saxon Science versus the rest of the world

I would like that everybody discuss another important issue in palaeontology that is very hot, albeit people do not speak openly. My main aim of exposing such an issue is scientific NO POLITIC. So, please, this time do not involved politics, insults, unrelated issues from other lists etc. Then, GO TO THE POINT:

Do you think that the Anglo-saxon dominates the palaeontological world? if so why?

Do you think that Anglo-saxon palaeontologists marginalised the others?

Do you think that Scientific magazines should be published in at least to languages as Castillina and English?

Sincerely,

Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms

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----Original Message Follows----
From: Patricio Dominguez <patd@nhm.ac.uk>
Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
Subject: Re: paleonet Palaeontology versus Geography versus Cultural Respect Versus Politics
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:56:49 +0000

I also remember sometimes ago there was a similar discussion on IBERPAL@LISTSERV.REDIRIS.ES, and the person that started the discussion was expelled unfairly from the list because he he belonged to one of the "nations, tribes or races" that Europeans do not care about them!

Iberpal is similar in scope to Paleonet. However, the main language is Spanish (or Castillian) but any other Latin language (Romance language) is most welcome (French, Italian, Portuguese,...). Moreover, as far as I remember, English has been used occasionally for general interest messages.

Iberpal is an open, non-moderated and private list (it is necessary to subscribe to it). However Iberpal has rules http://www.rediris.es/list/info/iberpal.es.html See also http://jerwood.nhm.ac.uk/archives/paleonet/1996/msg00746.html (As in Paleonet the rules are applied with fair flexibility in a friendly environment)

The person expelled from Iberpal was Xavier himself. Xavier did not follow the more basic rules of the list. The administrator of Iberpal, Miguel Pardo, advised Xavier several times before he was expelled. For those of you interested please read IBERPAL@LISTSERV.REDIRIS.ES, where all the messages are stored as a scientific tool.

Miguel Pardo Alonso has great integrity as the administrator of Iberpal. Certainly, the person that started the discussion was NOT expelled unfairly from the list because he he belonged to one of the "nations, tribes or races" but because he was extremely ill-mannered.

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Dr. Patricio DOMINGUEZ-ALONSO
Department of Palaeontology
The Natural History Museum
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