Re: paleonet Not only in the USA do creationsist/IDs abound amongst Christians

["Michael Kishel" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"In Poland there is also a breed of radical conservative Catholicism that
denies evolution"

Even though the church itself has taken a solid position on this does not
mean that there are not dissenters.  In fact if you read the full opinion of
the church they also state that none of the above are tenants of the faith
and therefore believers are not required to have a position one way or the
other.  They also rather cynically add that Catholics are not required to
believe in helio-centricity or a spherical Earth either.  Wikipedia has a
pretty good synopsis with the quotes from the popes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Roman_Catholic_Church.  Pope
Benedict XVI has clearly done his homework on the matter.

-Michael Kishel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenneth A. Monsch" <kmonsch@biol.uni.wroc.pl>
To: <paleonet@nhm.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:25 AM
Subject: paleonet Not only in the USA do creationsist/IDs abound amongst
Christians


> Unfortunately it is not true that creationism/ID is an American-only
> problem. I have lived in the Caribbean, the Netherlands, the UK, and now I
> live in Poland. Creationism was everywhere I have lived and I'm sure it's
> everywhere and everywhere it looks scary. It also seems to be everywhere
> where I've NOT lived, for example a former fellow student of mine is now a
> preacher in Belgium and once sent me an anti-evolution sermon to
proofread!
> In countries with a muslim background there is also creationism (ever
> received spam mails of Harun Yahya's organisation?).  In Poland there is
> also a breed of radical conservative catholicism that denies evolution. A
> main spokesperson of this sort of creationism is now even an
Europarliament
> MP for Poland! The party he represents is becoming influential in this
> country-I can imagine them pressuring the govrnment to remove evolution
from
> education. Because the government itself is even more conservative than
> George Bush and has, if you ask me, no backbone, it would comply. Of
course
> we can't deny that the trouble with creationism and ID is far worse in the
> USA than it is anywhere else, but scientists everywhere should be at least
> aware of it, that the threats we talk about here are real.
>
> PS: in reply to Michael Kishel's earlier appeal I respond "I".
>
> Ken Monsch, Wroclaw, Poland
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judith Harris" <harrisj@valornet.com>
> To: <paleonet@nhm.ac.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: paleonet Living Pterosaurs soon on display (S-P-A-M
4.17/4.00)
>
>
> The Catholic church is behind us on this one--and, in case you hadn't
> noticed, it is a huge organization. And the new Pope just clarified
> that the Christian religion (a la Catholic) and evolution do not
> conflict.
>
> Only in this country do creationsist/IDs abound amongst Christians.
>
> Judith
>
>