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Re: [Off-topic?] Re: paleonet Paleonet list/newsgroup versus Paleonet forum



 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:48 PM
Subject: [Off-topic?] Re: paleonet Paleonet list/newsgroup versus Paleonet forum

Hi all,

I hate to disagree, but I must.  There are many active listservs dedicated to ID, creationism, etc., of which talk.origins is among the best ( http://www.talkorigins.org/ ).  And I strongly recommend them.

But those broad listservs do not focus primarily on paleontological issues, of which many of our threads here are.  Let's face it, biologists, astronomers, chemists, ecologists (creationism almost never shows up on the ecolog listserv), and many soft-rock geologists deal with evolution in their work, but it's either ancillary (applied, as in biostratigraphy), using living organisms (which can be "seen living today" and therefore thought to be more "factual"), or so saturated in math (most of astronomy and biology) that it's a different issue.  For example, most creationists (at least the savvier ones) are fine with microevolution.  Almost all of my students can rationalize natural selection acting on populations.

But the reason evolution (as seen by paleontologists) is almost always going to be held in greater doubt by the public is because of the deep time element.  This really is distinct from most other disciplines that deal with evolution as a routine matter.  And so while I could understand (and would surely join) a separate listserv for "paleontologists-defending-evolution," I really think it belongs here on paleonet.

Basically, I really do think we have a bigger battle to fight than most.  And the decline of paleontology does not bode well for this, especially since most evolutionary biologists (our sister group) don't consider deep time.  And this is even more important since there are legitimate issues that paleontologists and biologists do argue over (and that add further fuel to the creationist's fire).

As always, I'm speaking from my own experience.  But I hear it's a big problem elsewhere too.

Phil
 
I agree with this.  I sometimes lurk on Talk.Origins and learned about the T. rex soft tissue there (along with the prediction that it would be used by Creationists), before I heard it here.  However, most of the issues brought up there have nothing to do with Palaeontology.
 
The flow of emails from paleonet is very reasonable compared to some other discussion groups I am on.  And it isn't as if we are being flooded by a bunch of Me-too trolls.  Most of the replies have had something interesting to add to the discussion.
 
However, I did like the idea of putting warnings in the Subject field.  One of the lists I am on often went on long, dry discussions of Popper.  After some complaints they now put "Popper" or "Batshit" (after one viewer observed how boring the discussions were) at the begining of an email which is about to discuss that subject.
 
Regards
Paul Blake
 
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