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Re: paleonet NYTimes editorial on Creationism



Title: Re: paleonet NYTimes editorial on Creationism
And I have to say that, having some familiarity with those programs, that the
quality of research mentoring offered in the medical Ph.D. programs is in no
way less than what is expected in other scientific disciplines.

I worked for a time as an editorial assistant at the journal Biological Psychiatry and my recollection is that it was largely MDs who reported research there (although they may simply have not bothered to list their Ph.D.s).  The editor was an MD retired from a career in research and practice.

In the early 1990s there was an upsurge in criticism of medical research, which is apparently continuing: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/287/21/2765
The problem also exists in other countries:
http://www.amrc.org.uk/index.asp?id=937

Not to pick on MDs (PhDs do poor designed research too), but the original point of this topic was that a lot doctors are drafted into or eagerly join the ID/creationist side in the public debate over evolution.  The idea that they are somehow authorities on all things biological should be publicly and systematically scrutinized.

 Look, ID and other creationists who hold advanced degrees in science do not hold their beliefs because they received insufficient training or anything
like that. They are religious fundamentalists, and they interpret everything
in the world around them in that light (no pun intended).

I disagree.  I believe that they do receive insufficient exposure to the concepts of historical science, including the role of contingency, the statistics of large numbers and avoidance of pitfalls like the "Whig theory" of history.

The Whig Theory of History holds that history, in particular the history of the English-speaking peoples, is the history of freedom broadening down from precedent to precedent as progress is made away from tradition, authority, monarchy, and aristocracy toward democracy and egalitarianism.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p319_Dickson.html

I agree with the emphasis that has been placed on the role of history in
this debate. Unfortunately, that is a point that is quite often highlighted
by creationists, precisely because it is a soft spot in the framework of
evolutionary theory. There are no "tests" of evolution, in the Popperian
sense, to be had from the geological record.

It is highlighted because they don't understand the true nature of history.  Criticism of the stratigraphic record is often based on the false idea that the written record of human history is somehow complete and free of bias and misleading information.

I have worked largely with the deep-sea record of planktonic foraminifers where you can find uninterrupted, laminated records that go on for hundreds of thousands of years, and include statistically reliable numbers of nearly unaltered specimens.  It might be more complete than the written record of the history of 16th century Scotland.

_Understanding_ the history of life, and the current state, does indeed require history, but remember, it does have a significant interpretive component.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the interpretive component has a conceptual basis that is poorly developed outside of science education curricula that emphasize history.

Our deep time science also differs from that of the physicists in one very important and fundamental way. Physicists can theoretically, and quite often in practice, reverse time.

And we can't mistake history for time.  Two different things.  History is time + memory.  That's one of the first things I tell my students in historical geology.

Bill
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William P. Chaisson
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Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences
University of Rochester
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