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For those of you interested in pending legislation or challenges to evolution in the classroom, an excellent resource can be found through the American Geological Institute at: http://www.agiweb.org/gap/legis108/evolution_cont.html - It has a map that is clickable by state to see how evolution is being challenged in the classroom and state legislature. While not all states in red have legislation pending, they have some sort of challenge going on, either with a local school board or other means. As you can see, it is a rather long list: Alabama Arizona California Georgia Kansas Louisiana Maryland Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana New Mexico Ohio Oklahoma Pennsylvania South Carolina Tennessee Texas Wisconsin Wyoming Other information can be obtained through the National Center for Science Education at http://www.ncseweb.org Lisa -----Original Message----- From: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk [mailto:paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Dr. Lisa E. Park Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:38 PM To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk Subject: paleonet GLS-SEPM luncheon on defeating creationism If you are planning on attending the GSA North Central Section Meeting in Minneapolis this May, the speaker at the SEPM luncheon will discuss defeating creationism at a local level. Details below....... "Attending the Geological Society of America-North Central Section meeting in Minneapolis? Be sure to register for the GLS-SEPM luncheon on Friday, May 20, from 11:30 am - 1:00 pm. Our section is co-sponsoring this luncheon with the North Central Section of the Paleontological Society. Not only will you be treated to a sumptuous buffet, including a vegetarian option and desserts, but we have invited a timely guest speaker, Michael Zimmerman, Dean of the College of Letters & Science at the University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh. Learn how Dr. Zimmerman successfully confronted an assault on science by Grantsbrg (Wis.) school board members and how you can use a similar strategy in dealing with an evolution/creationism controversy. The cost for lunch and speaker is $22.50. Join us for good food, good friends, and good advice. Please sign up at the GSA website (http://www.geosociety.org/sectdiv/Northc/05ncmtg.htm#reg). Abstract deadline is February 22, 2005." Registration deadline is April 18. 2005. Lisa Park -----Original Message----- From: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk [mailto:paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Ed Venit Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:22 PM To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk Subject: RE: paleonet Faith and skepticism Sure, and the total biomass of all the world's animal species x2 is unlikely to fit in an ark of known dimensions. --On Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:47 AM -0700 "Leo, Sandy" <atleo@sandia.gov> wrote: > > Folks -- just some passing thoughts. I also had a problem with the > "creation of man/woman" section in Genesis. And had an even larger > problem with the story of Noah & the survivors. We are all Jews, right, > since the Jews were the only people in the Ark? But just a little bit > further in the Bible, the Egyptians are introduced. Where did they come > from? Another non-Jewish ark? Myself, I have never had any problems with > "out-of-Africa" theory of evolution. But perhaps the creationists do. > > I will continue to try to figure out why I should take the Bible as > absolute truth. But have little faith that I will resolve my quandary! > > -- Sandy Leo > A Californian Stratigrapher & a firm believer in the the theory of > evolution > > > __________________________________________________ > From: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk [mailto:paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk] On > Behalf Of Kenneth A. Monsch > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:16 AM > To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk > Subject: Re: paleonet Faith and skepticism > > > > To those who are still interested, > > This thread is turning out to be pretty long. I won't have much to say > about Peter's last message. Bill C. has already answered to a few of > Peter's points. What I do agree on with Bill is that a deity cannot be > part of your scientific paradigms, but from this doesn't follow that > believing in God is invalid (hard to imagine for some, but I'm not the > only one who can argue that this is possible). Just keep Him out of your > scientifc theories. When you say "a human has an appendix because God put > it there, or 'designed' it this way" you have obviously left a framework > of scientific thinking. Peter said in his last mail that since > creationists don't trust reason, it's very hard to get anything across to > them. The problem is aggravated by this that they THINK they are > reasonable, because they are convinced they do science! Sigh. But by > educating the masses, we can at least reach the ones who are undecided, > who still have a door ajar to reason. Or we should start at school, where > children are still shaping their own opinions. The problem, creationists > seem to be aware of it. Think of the 'evolution is only a theory' > stickers. But let us not give up. Just a last point for Bill C.: the > Bible is not a scientific book, and shouldn't be regarded this way. For > religious books, 'discrepancies' such as the two creation stories can be > explained and still accepted. If two scientifc works say different > things, often it is thought that one must be wrong and the other must be > right (though sometimes the truth may prove that neither is completely > right!). A discussion about this could go on and on and on needlessly, so > I'll just concentrate on one point. One Genesis story says that both A > and E came out of the dust. Another says that A came out of the dust, and > that E came out of A. So eventually E still came out of the dust, right? > (Don't worry, I don't believe in these stories in a literal sense!) > > Ken > ************************************************************************* > ** > Dr. Kenneth A. Monsch tel +48-71-3754017 > Department of Vertebrate Zoology fax +48-71-3222817 > Institute of Zoology > University of Wroc³aw > ul. H. Sienkiewicza 21 > 50-335 Wroclaw > POLAND
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