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paleonet on evolution, doctors, and declining societal memberships



Dear All—

 

WOW!  Having just returned from a holiday, I opened my email and found amazing and energetic discussions on evolution, the role of medicine in science and our decline in societal memberships.  I think that this clearly shows the all-too-obvious connection between these topics.  That is: how our society sees Science (with a big S) and how they view paleontology.

 

While our own scientific colleagues may love dinosaurs from a romantic point of view, how many of them would be willing to generate a position in vertebrate paleontology…..or to keep one for that matter, after a retirement? (see Roy Plotnick’s posting about the UI position attrition)  To me, the variance in science in general, and paleontology in particular, has increased and those once trained in classical paleontology are now trained in geochemistry or geobiology. 

 

In other words, it seems that our science is shifting, but our models stay the same.  People don’t see the relevance of paleontology because a) we don’t do a good enough job making ourselves relevant, b) we don’t communicate well-enough amongst ourselves (with the possible exception of this listserv) and c) we don’t know where we are going with our discipline (which, by the way….is under siege by creationists, particularly at the K-12 level, and we do not even realize it).  Thus, we find our numbers declining, like the bison in North America reported on in this week’s Science (sorry…no musk oxen….they were bison, which are related…..through evolution……if you “believe” in that).  If people don’t see the relevance of talking about this from a theoretical standpoint, maybe they will from a practical one.  That is….we are losing numbers, but gaining in popularity among the kiddies.  Why?

 

Maybe we need to step back and look at the larger picture.  Our young, emerging paleontologists will live in a different world.  What kind of world will that be?  Will the paleodatabase dominate our science?  Will something else?  What questions do we have that are relevant to those in our own field, those in other fields and those in the general public?  This time last year an ostracod made international news (believe it or not) because it was the first recorded male reproductive organ, and last month, the pigmy H. erectus was reported from Indonesia.  These are things that people seem to care about.  But why?

 

I think we need to start asking ourselves: since science is a dynamic endeavor, are we adapting to the times? Are we changing the landscape? Or are we just desperately trying to keep up?

 

To me, these issues are all so intricately interrelated that it boggles the mind.

 

Respectfully,

Lisa

 

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Dr. Lisa E. Park, Associate Professor

Department of Geology

Crouse Hall

252 Buchtel Commons

University of Akron

Akron, OH 44325-4101  USA

001-330-972-7633 (phone)

001-330-972-7611 (fax)

lepark@uakron.edu

 

Damnant quod non intelligunt

(they condemn what they do not understand)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk [mailto:paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Ernest Olsen
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:00 PM
To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
Subject: Re: paleonet Doctors and Evolution

 

Most Doctors (and all lawyers) are just technicians in their fields. 

 

They cannot be truly said to have a scientific approach and are net consumers of knowledge, not generators.

 

This is the only way to explain "creationist" medical practitioners.

 

The fact that someone has a degree in a Medical field is improperly used by creationists as an appeal to authority.

----- Original Message -----

 

 

To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk

Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:57 PM

Subject: paleonet Doctors and Evolution

 


 Funny isn't it that any doctor would be an anti-evolutionist, given that in some respects they are on the front-line evolutionary battles with bacteria, HIV, malaria, and other diseases that literally are naturally selected by the very drugs that doctors apply right in front of their own noses.  I am very sorry that I did not emphasize even more this relevance to my Biology 1 class of 650 students, of whom about 90% must be pre-meds.  I am depressed by this, but I guess not surprised.   We, or at least I, will have to do a much better job with evolution, selection, and the medical condition of the world.  Sad. 

Anyone else deal with this problem in classes?   Must be a world-wide problem.   Let's get an evolutionary biologist (or paleobiologist even better] in every med school!

The new www.evolution.berkeley.edu site for teachers deals a bit with this.  [Although sponsored by Berkeley, I didn't have anything to do with it, but it did win a couple of prizes lately, so must be worth a look for teachers of evolution.]

Jere