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Hi again, Sorry, I may be stupid, but why does the issue boil down to Jesus & truth vs. science & truth? Am I to understand that one must choose either Jesus OR science, but that one cannot choose both? Is it an oxymoron to be a Christian scientist <G>. Sorry, I couldn't resist a little levity. I am NOT a "Christian Scientist". Please, may I rephrase the question? Why can't one chose to be both a "reborn" Christian AND a bona fide evolutionist/paleontologist? "... most fundamentalist Christians organize themselves using the Internet"...". Sorry, your powerful antagonist "most fundamentalist Christians" are NOT organized in ANY plot, on "the net" or anywhere else. Only a tiny minority of anti-science fundamentalist Christians are organized on the net for said plot. Its my observation that most/many fundamentalist Christians consider man to be the God appointed steward of Earth. Why then should fundamentalist Christians automatically oppose steps to slow global warming, and do so based on their strong faith in Christ? In my opinion. economic fears play a far greater role in determining who opposes steps to slow global warming. Likewise, by following Christ's example and leadership, Christians should be among the foremost supporters of the fight against the AIDS epidemic. Bob Jones III speaks neither for me and my family nor for most other "people who know the Lord". "... the liberals ... They despise you [G.W. Bush] because they despise your Christ."(Bob Jones III, 2004): please friends, let's don't go out of our way to make the 2nd part of Jones's claim true! -Ted Donaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Park,Lisa E" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: paleonet of Galileo, Michelangelo and the ghosts of San Croce > Dear Paleonetters-- > > Ok...I will admit that I stirred up a hornet's nest with my initial > posting. I am not sure if that was my overt intention, but I cannot > object to the outcome. ...wondering if we, in America, have gone off our > rockers. I sometimes wonder that myself! > <gently snipped>. > > ... as Jere Lipps ably pointed out, what happens in the US, unfortunately > affects others in the world. These lines of thinking influences our > policies on climate change, AIDS, stem cell research and the like. I > think it was my original intent to bring people to this awareness > <snip>that if you understand and accept the facts of evolution, you are > not a morally corrupt person. I think what we should ask those who do not > accept evolution: What are you afraid of? Answering that question will go > a long way to understanding the schizm that exists in the fabric of > American society today. And...guess what.....we paleontologists are in > the middle of it. Whether or not we want to admit it. > ... Have we learned nothing? Has science done that poor of a job in educating the masses that they still rely on ideas so far behind what we know in science to be laughable? ... > > ... Have our brains become too sophisticated for us to comprehend > ourselves and our understanding of the Universe? I truly think that these > are the issues at hand. Too much, too soon, too fast, too hard to > comprehend. It is simpler to accept Jesus and call it a day, than to try > to understand DNA, quantum physics and superstring theory. Ironic that > most fundamentalist Christians organize themselves using the > Internet.........just an observation. > ... We continue to leave it to others to explain ourselves to the world, because we are too busy or too important to do it. What I ask of you is this: if not you, who? if not now, when? ... Please try, in your own small way, to make a positive change towards scientific literacy. It is important to everyone and cannot be underestimated. > > Respectively, > Lisa Park > <snip> > > -----Original Message----- > From: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk on behalf of Alexander Glass > ... > To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk > Subject: paleonet How about some numbers? > > Seeking to lower the "heat index" of the current science-religion > discussion with information.... > For those of you who love numbers and statistics (and I know you do...) > here are some more to stimulate your brains with. Gallup just released a > new poll on America's view on creationism, evolution, biblical > "literalism" etc. <snip> > It is a sobering message - believe me. > > People have been throwing a lot of labels around during this discussion > such as "fundamentalist", "evangelical" and "biblical literalist". ... > and different people appear to "hear" different things when confronted by > these terms. <snip> > http://www.wheaton.edu/isae/defining_evangelicalism.html#Defining <snip> > Alexander Glass <snip> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign <snip>
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