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Hi Xavier, Hi everybody, :-), an anecdotal case in point first. I was referee of a thesis from a Palestinian colleague of Jordan. To indicate the fossil localities, he draw a map of the Near East with Palestina, but not (as You surely guess) Israel. Would You want it corrected or not? Everyone, don't answer. Mi maxime is leave politics as far outside of scientific discussions as You can. It distracts, is highly emotional and bears an immense (I guess even unavoidable) risk to get to dislike people You even never met, as is the case with most of this discussion forum. You will even start to reject the one´s hypotheses or refuse to read the one´s papers. Very unscientific and destructive. Not too long ago, we could follow a rather emotional discussion string demonstrating how things can easily boile up among supposedly rationally thinking scientists. And this was just on scientific matters. If this inquiry is a Trojan Horse to start a discussion on nations and states, we should stop right here. As for publishing, I do not think there is a "norm/law/way or no,whether dictates how scientitsts ought to act about this issue". Importantly, there should be a geographic indication most readers are familiar with. So, for example, fossil xy, from Tremp, Northern Catalonia, Spain or (Spain). Perhaps everybody knows where Catalonia is, but there are certainly some regions with proper geographical names in the world I would have to consult a map to see in which country it lies. I guess, most editors would be happy with this. Most sincerely, Niko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Xavier Panades I Blas" <cogombra@hotmail.com> To: <PaleoNet@nhm.ac.uk> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: paleonet Palaeontology versus Geography versus Cultural Respect Versus Politics Hi everybody! I have had some hot discussions and agreements with many colleagues in my private email about amn issue which, I think is worthy to bring up to the list. There are only eight nations in the world that possess their own states, although they also contain many regional cultures. The classical example is Portugal. However, many of the States are formed by Stateless nations, usually not represented properly by the States, that tend to give an image of the nation that dominates that State .These have to be dramatic differenciated from regional cultures. The classical examples are the Spanish and Bristish State. The first contain Euskadi (Basc Country), Catalonia, and Gallicia, nations possessing their own language, way of living...Even though Spain is basically known by its Castilian language and culture(proper name of Spanish). The second contains England, North of Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and like the first the British State is well dominated by the English culture. Moreover, all these States and nations are in geopraphical units, such as the Iberian Peninsula and The Bristish Islands. The point is that when you find a fossil, or tell where a scientists comes from. What is the most correct way of locating both? In my case I use the geopraphy first, for example Iberian Peninsula or British Isles,then, the nation that legally owns or the fossil is located, for example Catalonia or Scotland, putting in brackets the State that they are within, (Spanish State)and(Bristish State), although unnecesary as you have indicated first the geographical area. The same case for names, in my case tha I am Anglo-Catalan, I would say I am from England and Catalonia within the Spanish State and Bristish State respectively, but never Spanish or Bristish.I also use the name of the nations/culture as repect towards them. The point is that many people have insulted me as integrist, nationalist...Or corrected in my submitted papers Spain instead of Catalonia and so on. Hence, people think in politics unrespecting science and people feelings. I think the most correct way of locating a fossil or being is always using the geography as I do to avoid any political discussion. Then, the national/cultural area mentioning the state, although voluntarily, as I way of respecting other people's culture. Finally, to respect this in submitted papers. However, I would like to know whether there is a norm/law/way or no, whether dictates how scientitsts ought to act about this issue. Finally, I would like to apologise to anybody if my words bring any equivocal bad feelings. Respectfully, Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms Please, send letters to: Fuhlrott-Museum / ARCO-Nepal Auer schulstr. 20 D-42103 Wuppertal cogombra@hotmail.com Tel. 0049 202/563 2636/4891 Fax 0049 202/563 8026 Student from: Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München Fakultät für Geowissenschaften Luisenstrasse 37 Zi. 223/I 80333 München,Germany Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms Please, send letters to: Fuhlrott-Museum / ARCO-Nepal Auer schulstr. 20 D-42103 Wuppertal cogombra@hotmail.com Tel. 0049 202/563 2636/4891 Fax 0049 202/563 8026 Student from: Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München Fakultät für Geowissenschaften Luisenstrasse 37 Zi. 223/I 80333 München,Germany _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk
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