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Responding to Chris Little's question regarding sources of the Signor-Lipps effect: Keep in mind that deposition, preservation, and exposure of fossils are all essentially forms of sampling. They are all components of the Signor-Lipps effect. To work past the effect, I think it may be useful, nay necessary, to construct formal hypotheses in which the action and influence of each source of sampling (and ultimately the putative underlying causes) is considered explicitly and quantitatively. It is in addressing the problem of underlying causes (that we all want to know) that we draw a link between the Signor-Lipp effect and general questions of whether, for instance, taxon turnover at the K/T boundary was catastrophic or not, abrupt or gradual, stepwise or smooth. To evaluate total evidence means to engage in the practice of "reciprocal illumination" (sensu Hennig 1966, the landmark book that launched cladistics). That is, just as we use data to evaluate hypotheses, we must use hypotheses to evaluate data, in all possible combinations. The goal is to look as closely and as creatively as possible, from every angle, at the scientific problems before us. The history of the K/T boundary story is, I think, a perfect illustration of the power of this complex and lengthly process. Stepping up into metadiscussion for a moment, I would like to suggest, if you're not comfortable using "Signor-Lipps effect", using the term "underestimation problem" instead. That is as close as I have been able to come, after several days thinking about the equivalent problems in ecology (and statistics in general), to an intelligible term. Better ideas are welcome! I started quite an avalanche by bringing up the "missing meter" question here, and I recall Norm McLeod expressed trepidation about it. I suppose he anticipated a nasty argument and bad feelings all around and, frankly, I also worried that it might come out badly. I am been very impressed with the geniality and effort that so many people have put into this discussion. I've been following one electronic forum or another for a full decade now, and I assure you that PALEONET has so far been an exemplar of a cordial and productive discussion forum. It is not unique, but it is uncommonly good. I suspect this has to do with the paleontology community in general; I'm fairly new to paleontology, but I have found the PALAEOBOTANY mailing list, not to mention the many paleo researchers I've met, to be an exceptionally friendly and courteous group of people. Regards,
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