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I'm continually amazed by the consensus we're reaching here. A few responses to yesterday's postings (in no particular order) Peter Sheehan paraphrases Bob Kleinpell as follows, ""boundaries must be drawn with a wide brush, not a finely pointed pen." And this is because of what we now call the Signor-Lipps Effect." I couldn't agree more though Hollis Hedberg pointed out that biozones are not equivalent to chronozones long before Kleinpell (and even Hedberg was not the first to realize this). However, the distinction between biozones and chronozones exists irrespective of the S&L Effect, though this phenomenon certainly contributes to that distinction. Perhaps everyone on PaleoNet recognizes the distinction but I keep running across papers in the literature in which the biozones are routinely interpreted to have time significance down to the smallest possible scales. That was what I was trying to get at by saying that recognition of the S&L Effect should encourage us to keep the distinction between biozones and chronozones in mind at all times and to make sure our students do the same. John Alroy's comment seems to assume that I was referring to Shaw's (1964) description of graphic correlation. This was not the case. There is much more in that book than graphic correlation and I would encourage everyone on PaleoNet to take a close look at it. So far as I am aware Shaw was the first to ask the question, "How can I determine whether the observed last appearance of a fossil constitutes a reliable indication of its true last appearance?" In doing that, and attempting to answer the question statistically, Shaw started people thinking about the reliability of last occurrences, stratigraphic confidence intervals and the rest. The conceptual link to Shaw's work is explicitly discussed by C.R.C. Paul (1982) which is what most people cite as the first paper on stratigraphic confidence intervals. The link between the S&L Effect and stratigraphic confidence intervals is obvious. [Note: I wasn't seriously suggesting that the S&L Effect be renamed the Shaw Effect, just emphasizing it's intellectual heritage. Besides, I like Stefan's "Tom & Jere Effect" much better.] I'd be happy to calculate the stratigraphic confidence intervals for the Hell Creek vertebrates. I'm just guessing as to what the answer might be. The trouble is I don't have the data. If someone wants to place the data in the PaleoNet FTP Site, then we can all do it. That would be fun. Finally, Alroy proposes to look for overlaps in fossil ranges as a test of the catastrophic scenario. I like this because the K/T planktic foraminiferal record shows more overlaps than disjunctions across the boundary horizon if you eliminate the spurious signal coming in from demonstrably incomplete successions. But I'm not so optimistic about applying it to the terrestrial record. This can only be done if there is some reason to believe that the K/T terrestrial record provides an opportunity to sample temporally complete (ideally over intervals that match the event's estimated duration) sequences from many different environments / geographic localities. So far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong) the only upper Maastrichtian / lower Paleocene terrestrial faunas of which we are aware come from two localities (one in Montana the other in China) that represent two different environments. I agree with Peter that it's doubtful the terrestrial K/T record is up to that kind of stratigraphically-oriented test. To sum up, I see the Signor-Lipps Effect (there, I've said it) as being of a piece with a new level of appreciation among some of us for the true nature of our data. Other strains of this heretical virus include work on stratigraphic confidence intervals, quantitative biostratigraphy (especially graphic correlation which IS my own personal favorite), and quantitative biogeography. Many of these ideas and the techniques needed to implement them have been around for quite some time. [Note: at our recent graphical correlation research conference Keith Mann brought down the house when he pointed out that 10m of new oceanic crust has been created in the East Pacific since Shaw published in 1964 book!!!] Yet I don't think that you could describe any of these methods as being routinely employed or, to go back to the S&L Effect, routinely taken into consideration. I think (hope) that it's time to raise our field's awareness of these issues/techniques and, even more importantly, our standards with respect to what constitutes a valid stratigraphic/biogeographic inference. Since we all seem to agree about the general importance of these insights and (I hope) the value of parsimony and formal hypothesis testing (as John Alroy nicely pointed out), how do we go about moving our colleagues along in this general direction? Norm MacLeod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Norman MacLeod Senior Research Fellow N.MacLeod@nhm.ac.uk (Internet) N.MacLeod@uk.ac.nhm (Janet) Address: Dept. of Palaeontology, The Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD Office Phone: 071-938-9006 Dept. FAX: 071-938-9277 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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