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This is one of the ways that the Christian right should be taken to task. They are not only trying to dilute evolutionary theory but they are also trying to get their own special religion into the schools. Creationism, in their way of thinking, is Genesis and that applies only to Jews, Christians, and maybe (I don't know) Muslims. Thus it can be offensive to many peoples. This is why we have separation of Church and State. I spoke to an ACLU representative in New Mexico yesterday and she says it can only be addressed on a case by case basis. I am not convinced. Gay rights was originally on a case by case basis but then managed to be heard and the state and even national level. Perhaps this could be a national issue also. If, for example, the federal government gives money for anything. This is a very dangerous movement in terms of education. And, it is only successful, because students are not taught how to think (and their parents also). We need some basic education in how to evaluate and critique ideas and situations. Enough out of me. Judith Harris emerita professor University of Colorado, Boulder On May 25, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Dr. Lisa E. Park wrote: > Yes. Roy is right. Dr. Zimmerman is targeting the Christian > clergy. My > apologies for not being clear. If you have any questions about > this project > and its impact, his email address is on that website. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk [mailto:paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk]On > Behalf Of Roy Plotnick > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:24 PM > To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk > Subject: Re: paleonet The Clergy Project > > > As Dr. Zimmerman made clear at his presentation at North-central GSA > (and you can tell from the site), the project is aimed directly at > Christian clergy only at this time. A statement from Jewish, Muslim, > Buddhist, Hindu, mystics etc. would be nice, but would really not > impact > the public debate the way a clear document from the mainstream > Christian > clergy would. - Roy > > > Judith Harris wrote: > > >> You forgot Buddhists, Hindus, and then all of the mystics :-) I know, >> because I am one of them. >> On May 24, 2005, at 1:47 PM, Dr. Lisa E. Park wrote: >> >> >>> Dear All- >>> >>> Recently, Michael Zimmerman from the University of Wisconsin, >>> Oshkosh, set >>> up something called The Clergy Project. This project attempts to >>> get >>> letters of support for evolution from US clergy members. It is a >>> really >>> interesting approach to this problem, and I think it is an >>> important >>> step >>> towards a possible middle ground to this issue. He has a website >>> for this >>> at: http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/clergy_project.htm >>> >>> I hope those who attend church, synagogue or mosque can forward this >>> information to their respective clergy member. >>> >>> Lisa >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk [mailto:paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk]On >>> Behalf Of Peter Paul Smolka >>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:37 PM >>> To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk >>> Subject: RE: paleonet 'creation watch': Redefining what Science is? >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 23 May 2005, Dr. Lisa E. Park wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:05:17 -0400 >>>> From: Dr. Lisa E. Park <lepark@uakron.edu> >>>> Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk >>>> To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk >>>> Subject: RE: paleonet good 'creation watch' web site >>>> >>>> >>>> The scariest thing in the news lately is from Kansas.....where >>>> they >>>> want >>>> >>>> >>> to >>> >>> >>>> redefine what "Science" is. That is, in fact, the Christian >>>> right's main >>>> goal.....to end intellectualism in the US. The question is: did >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Dear Lisa, >>> >>> maybe you can in 1-2 lines sketch what they think (e.g. >>> defenition of >>> science by them, e.g. I have problems to understand what you wrote). >>> >>> Reason: Beyond intellectualism, which everybody may view as he or >>> she >>> likes, questioning science, would, as I understand it, make the US >>> a country that should not been travelled. >>> >>> Reason: Potable water quality depends on science (diarrea as well). >>> Potable water availability as well; >>> >>> Needless to think about aircraft maintenance. >>> >>> This is not meant as offence against parts of the US. Maybe I >>> misunderstand above completely. Even with maximum tolerance to any >>> view that might be possible: Questioning science means unsafe >>> living. >>> >>> So: Do they really want to redefine Science? >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> ******************************************************************** >>> ** >>> Dr. Peter P. Smolka >>> University Muenster >>> Geological Institute >>> Corrensstr. 24 >>> D-48149 Muenster >>> >>> Tel.: +49/251/833-3989 +49/2533/4401 >>> Fax: +49/251/833-3989 +49/2533/4401 >>> E-Mail: smolka@uni-muenster.de >>> E-Mail: PSmolka@T-Online.de >>> ******************************************************************** >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Roy E. Plotnick > Professor > Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences > University of Illinois at Chicago > 845 W. Taylor St. > Chicago, IL 60607 > plotnick@uic.edu > office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 > lab phone: 312-355-1342 > web page: http://www.uic.edu/~plotnick/plotnick.htm > "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial > periods, > gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices > with > characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott > > > > >
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