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In response to Jere Lipps' comments: Nomenclature is *very* important. In the sciences we use specific words for very specific definitions. In deference to those who have committed considerable effort in achieving a PhD in Paleontology, I personally have chosen not to use the term "paleontologist" without a modifier when describing my avocation. For me it is a valid courtesy. I appreciate your inclusiveness in saying "Serious APs could join a professional society and simply call themselves paleontologists. That would be fine by me, especially if they published or made their materials available to the scientific community." As a member of the Botanical Society of America and the Geological Society of America, I fully concur and encourage others to join. There are both tangible and intangible benefits. I had my butt handed to me via E-mail, by a professional in a major institution some time ago when I referred to myself as an amateur paleontologist. His interpretation of the term "amateur" was particularly perjorative, which is not consistent with the etymology of the word, but what the hey. Since that time, I've used the more awkward term avocational. If we can somehow establish guidelines for the minimum requirements for a certification program, then the future could include trained, competent "amateurs" who could augment the professional presence in the field, in the lab, in print, and maybe even the movies someday. I have a copy of the Denver Program, and still need to get in touch with Dave Gillette on the Utah program and Deb Boaz on the Mesa, AZ one as well. There are at least these three programs that serve to establish some formal credentials for non-funded 'paleontologists'. Each one depends on extensive committment of time by professional staff, and an equally demanding committment by the participants. Again, I believe the SVP Outreach folks are following those programs. There are some alternate paradigms to the university/institution concept for the collection, curation and display of fossils. Two excellent examples are the Princeton Museum in Princeton, B.C., and the Stonerose Interpretive Center in Republic, WA. Both are actively supported by avocational paleontologists and both are repositories of record for various type specimens. Both receive and give benefit to their respective communites. The response within the NPA for greater education and training has been quite strong, the amateur contingent is hungry for knowledge and want to contribute to the science. So with that said, are there any of you professionals who would like to speak to our group sometime? If so, please email me off list. Regards,
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