Re: paleonet Stupid design

["Xavier Panades I Blas" <cogombra@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

I think ID like the Alpha courses is part of this recent Christian 
fundamentalist movement trying to evangelised the world! Here is where they 
fail when they try to submit people. Instead of nobody tries to submit 
people to believe or practise science...People that we are involved we just 
go there!

For example, I have never seen a group of people on the streets giving 
leaflets, and trying to gain adepts to science!

I disagree with everybody that says we should not talk about this, I would 
dare that you are totally wrong! The sociopolitical implications that these 
morons are dominating education in USA and trying to infiltrate in EC could 
make lots of us to lose our jobs, even this list to be ban eventually. 
However, we should be more constructive and fight officially back and face 
these guys in the media to demonstrate their tru faith!



I used to be surprise how people could became like that, and then I realise 
that we give people too much credit!




Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms

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From: "James Farlow" <farlow@ipfw.edu>
Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
To: <paleonet@nhm.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: paleonet Stupid design
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:00:49 -0500

I prefer the phrase "incompetent design", because it vaguely sounds like
"intelligent design", and thus could be used to satirize the latter.
For example, despite the fact that I am myself a Christian, I think one
could, to update an observation from Mark Twain, look at the composition
of the United States Congress and reasonably conclude that if an
omniscient entity set out deliberately to create a world in which such
an organization would exist, that entity is at best incompetent, and
more likely a moron.


<rimshot>


But seriously, folks, is there anybody out there who has a reasonably
nice specimen of the Early Cretaceous Texas gastropod _Nerinia roemeri_
in their museum collection?  I would like to use a photo of said beast
in a publication about dinosaur footprints (yeah, there is a connection)
I am writing.  Person contributing the photo would get a credit line and
copy of the publication--what a deal!  If you have one, please contact
me off-list.



 >>> harrisj@cvn.com 04/08/05 8:48 AM >>>
I like jean-louis' notion of SD or Stupid Design. It might be a good
way to combat the ID idea. However, most get their spiritual (actually

mainly religious) beliefs all mixed up with how we see the world--as if

our perception were true. It is almost as ridiculous as arguing about
how the honey-bee sees the world and making vast universal principles
from this.

But it is not good to rant. Doesn't ever resolve anything. Just shows
where our sore spots are.

judith harris


On Apr 8, 2005, at 6:07 AM, jean-louis VOLAT wrote:

 > As a french, I may have little understanding of the ID theory. How do

 > they cope with the numerous examples of poor design in living
 > organisms ?
 > I remember a movie showing an argument against the existence of a
 > Creator from the position of the human tibia in front of the leg,
 > which makes it a fragile and easy target. In a similar way, the
 > panda's thumb famous from Gould's paper is a very poor way (a
 > deformation of the metacarpian) of gaining a prehensile hand. With
 > their short arms the Tyrex could not only reach their own mouth...
 > We know this comes from the historical contingency of evolution, but

 > how could God be so poor an architect ?
 >
 > JLV
 >
 >