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I totally agree with you! Until Creationist either do not stop understanding their books literally or try to create bridges with sciences! As well as scientists become dogmatic hooked by format, prestige et al. do not allowing most of us developing science (just a hadful of chosen ones) Both are extremely harmful "A danger to all paleontology professionals who seek grant money from the federal government. Congress oversees the budget of the National Science Foundation and Congress is increasingly full of members who are fundamentalist Christians themselves or whom serve increasingly large (or vocal) fundamentalist constituencies." I shall add to any evolutionary sciences...Remember that recent politicians in Europe such as Bush, Berlusconi, Aznar, Chirac have been linked to new-born extremist Christians!!!!! As well as funding is provided to a hadful of chosen ones that possess certain format bl;a, bla isolated and not caring from what the Christians are developing! This is my last message on this matter...The matter is clear and close for me! I will struggle from respect and collaboration to not be marginalise from either side! Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms Please, send letters to: 55, Marksbury Road Bedminster Bristol BS3 5JY England European Community cogombra@hotmail.com From: Bill Chaisson/Deirdre Cunningham <chaisson@netacc.net> Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk Subject: Re: Lets not degenerate into chat.paleonet Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:08:24 -0400 >I am speaking from experience of someone who has seen lists lose their >usefulness by changing their character and Paleonet has lately been >changing its character. From Paleonet: A User's Guide PaleoNet's operating model falls somewhere between an informal electronic journal and a very large social gathering of paleontological professionals (including students) convened to discuss current events in the field. As a subscriber, you can expect to find wide variety of information accessible through PaleoNet at any time. These include ongoing informal conversations about papers, ideas, techniques, requests for information, announcements, etc., set against a background of more formal contributions such as editorials, meeting reviews, book reviews, software reviews, and the like. The purpose of these exchanges is to put you in touch, and keep you in touch, with what is happening in paleontology. The key concept that makes PaleoNet work, however, is participation. That science (any science) is to be viewed in isolation from the rest of the academy and the rest of society is, for me, anathema. I consider the philosophical underpinnings of paleontology to be part of the field itself. Interpretation of data is strongly affected by the practitioner's understanding of the philosophy that guides the practice. Both creationism and "intelligent design" ideas pose a threat to the practice of paleontology. They are: a source of irritation and a challenge for paleontology professors whose students bring these ideas into the classroom with them. a danger to all paleontology professionals who seek grant money from the federal government. Congress oversees the budget of the National Science Foundation and Congress is increasingly full of members who are fundamentalist Christians themselves or whom serve increasingly large (or vocal) fundamentalist constituencies. an obfuscating factor that distorts the perception of palentology by the general public. If none of these constitute a "current event in the field" or does not "put you in touch, and keep you in touch, with what is happening in paleontology", then frankly I'm baffled. Paleonet is not a real room with definite volume. Discussion of intelligent design does not leave less room available for discussion of equipment design. >My thinking is that a lot of creationism of the young earth stripe is >layscience and not really pseudoscience but this is not a place for me to >post about it. What is "layscience"? Creationism not any kind of science at all. -- --------------------------------------------------- William P. Chaisson Adjunct Assistant Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Rochester Rochester, NY 14627 607-387-3892
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