paleonet Nationality of the Miocene

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Hi everybody,

Please, focuss on the point that I made:

What is the most scientific way of providing the location of a fossil?

I am not interested in your political opinions as I have my own opinion 
about  the issue on States/Nations, and I will not give it on the list 
openly.

Sincerely,


Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms

Please, send letters to:

Fuhlrott-Museum / ARCO-Nepal
Auer schulstr. 20
D-42103 Wuppertal
cogombra@hotmail.com
Tel. 0049 202/563 2636/4891
Fax  0049 202/563 8026

Student from:

Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München
Fakultät für Geowissenschaften
Luisenstrasse 37 Zi. 223/I
80333 München,Germany











----Original Message Follows----
From: "Kleo P" <burszt@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
Subject: paleonet Nationality of the Miocene
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:19:31 -0800

If the issue is about "respecting" the feelings of the author as opposed to 
conveying information then it is, indeed, a political issue.

"I think the discussion is about respect, and we ought to be flexible and 
use geography closer to science and respect the feelings of authors. "

Is science really about respecting feelings?

What if my Afghan relatives and their neighbors all decided that it would be 
disrespectful to print their country of origin rather than their 
nationality?  Then we could have international articles identifying the 
author as a Tajik, and his neighbor as a Pashtun although both may be from 
Afghanistan or Pakistan or one from Tajikistan or . . . .  You would have 
conveyed respect but you would not have conveyed information.  I hope that 
scientists gain respect BY communicating relevant information.  Is your 
ethnicity relevant to Miocene paleoecology?

Let's respect the work of the author and his or her sponsoring countries 
(professional ties and research location) and allow the politics to be 
played elsewhere.  I like the idea of including latitude and longitude, plus 
current political place name--the former is lasting information and the 
latter is immediate information to make reading and weighing of reading 
easier.  But including the nationality of the author?  In exchange for 
reporting the ethnicity of the author how much more will we have to pay for 
the journal and how much science will we lose?  Maybe I misunderstand what 
you are saying.

Yes, science is political enough.  Let's not make it uselessly more so.

KP

>From: "Xavier Panades I Blas" <cogombra@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
>To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: paleonet Palaeontology versus Geography versus Cultural 
>Respect Versus Politics
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:08:33 +0000
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>I disagree with all that would like to stop this talk, because science 
>cannot be mixed with politics, many papers and people have been discarded 
>and obligated to change denominations by correctors, and I am sorry this is 
>very political. Science is also very politic area. For instance, try to ask 
>for funding to develop a project to study the origin of birds without using 
>cladistics, and based that their ancestry are not theropod dinosaurs.
>
>I think that latitude and longitud are perfect, but, to define the 
>nationality of a scientist. For example, in my case I would rather be 
>define as English or Catalan, than British or Spanish. Instead of if I need 
>to correct a paper where they locate a fossils that is in Catalonia, but 
>they define it as Spain, I would suggest to use both, however, the last 
>desition will be made by the author, and I would accept it!
>I think the discussion is about respect, and we ought to be flexible and 
>use geography closer to science and respect the feelings of authors.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>
>Xavier Panades I Blas, Ms
>
>Please, send letters to:
>
>Fuhlrott-Museum / ARCO-Nepal
>Auer schulstr. 20
>D-42103 Wuppertal
>cogombra@hotmail.com
>Tel. 0049 202/563 2636/4891
>Fax  0049 202/563 8026
>
>Student from:
>
>Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München
>Fakultät für Geowissenschaften
>Luisenstrasse 37 Zi. 223/I
>80333 München,Germany
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Bruno GRANIER" <brcgranier@wanadoo.fr>
>Reply-To: paleonet@nhm.ac.uk
>To: <paleonet@nhm.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: paleonet Palaeontology versus Geography versus Cultural 
>Respect Versus Politics
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:29:12 +0100 (MET)
>
>My feeling is that there are official international borders between 
>countries and we do not have to care about so-called "nations, tribes or 
>races" ... For instance, Bosnia is Bosnia (if you just want to say one part 
>of it is part of the Great Croatia or the Great Serbia, you put yourself 
>into "Great" trouble), Padonia is not a country, Europe is a super-country, 
>Palestine and Israel are countries ... Paleontology should not care of 
>"ancient civilisation/nations/not to say cultures"  when dealing with 
>present-day geography ... The concept "one nation = one country" is just a 
>facist ideal!
>
>I remember sometimes ago there was a similar discussion on 
>IBERPAL@LISTSERV.REDIRIS.ES
>
>Niko you are right: we should probably stop the dicussion right there.
>
>Cheers,
>Bruno
>
> >Messsage du 11/03/2003 13:02
> >De :  <paleonet@nhm.ac.uk>
> >A :  <paleonet@nhm.ac.uk>
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> >Objet : Re: paleonet Palaeontology versus Geography versus Cultural 
>Respect Versus Politics
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> > Latitude and longitude provide an objective, non-cultural/political
> > means of locating points upon the Earth's surface.
> >
> > Duncan McLean
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