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Re: DS/SVP/PS Poll Results (posted for T. Lipka)



From: Tompaleo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 22:02:24 -0500
To: paleonet-owner@nhm.ac.uk
Subject: Re: DS/SVP/PS Poll Results
Status: O

The results of this poll are certainly encouraging. Overally, I too agree
with the majority in _most_ of the questions. There were a cuple of responses
that disturb me however and for the sake of brevity, I will address those
responses that do so.

> Scenario #1             Scenario #2            Scenario #3   Questions
> Vertebrate --Private    Vertebrate --Public    Invertebrate --Public
>
>(Q1) The fossil is mine, finders keepers
>Agree     46.0%           17.0%                    16.3%
>Disagree  48.7%           81.0%                    81.3%
>
Scenario #1 involves the fossil being on "my own" property. In that context I
have to agree with the land owner. As much as I abhor the thought of someone
not alerting the proper scientific authorities <sic> the fossil _belongs_ to
the land owner and NO ONE should have the authority to wrest it from him.
What disturbs me is that a slight majority of respondants seem to want to
violate a property owner's right ostensibly for the 'common good'.






>(Q4) The fossil is part of our heritage, it belongs to everyone
>     in the United States.
>Agree     68.0%           86.6%                   89.7%
>Disagree  26.7%           12.3%                    8.0%

While I _technically_ agree with the majority, I feel the question was too
vague and can be used in such a way as to justify confiscation of private
property! Yes the fossil's scientific importance is a part of our heritage
and every effort should be made to secure it  for all to see and enjoy. But
not at the expense of the property owner.
>
>(Q5) It's within the bounds of my property, I should be allowed
>     to do whatever I want to do with it. What's important here
>     are my property rights.
>Agree     63.0%
>Disagree  32.7%
>
Exactly my sentiments!  If government is going to get involved, then a quid
pro quo of some kind should be negotiated such as tax breaks, easements etc
that make it worth the owners while to give up his find. Positive
encouragement not coersion is the answer!


>
>             GENERAL QUESTIONS
>
>(Q1) It's okay with me for someone to buy and sell fossils.
>Agree                                       49.3%
>Disagree                                    42.6%

Within certain restrictions. I agree as well.


Q4) All fossils found in the United States, whether found
>     on private or public lands should be the property of public
>     institutions like museums or universities.
>Agree                                       64.0%
>Disagree                                    31.6%

I emphatically disagree with this majority! For reasons stated previously,
private property rights must be preserved. Public lands are of course a
different matter.


>
>(Q5) There should be a law to stop people from collecting
>     fossils on Federally Managed Public Lands.
>Agree                                       75.7%
>Disagree                                    19.3%
>
>(Q6) There should be a law to stop people from collecting
>     fossils on all state lands.
>Agree                                       64.7%
>Disagree                                    27.0%

I generally agree with #5 and #6 but I do not think it should be totally
proscribed. Limited, private collecting for study should be allowed with the
proviso that any scientifically significant specimens MUST be reported to the
proper authorities and that the person(s) are not allowed to touch it.


>(Q8) This is the United States, we should encourage free
>     enterprise. A law restricting the selling of fossils collected
>     on private lands is wrong.
>Agree                                       54.7%
>Disagree                                    38.0%
>


I disagree with this majority as well. It would be illegal and
unconstitutional to attempt proscribe the selling of fossils found on private
property, period!



That's about it. My love of paleontology will never go so farb as to presume
sovereignty over property that does not belong to me. As much as I hate those
slash and burn fosil dealers and their ignorant or uncaring clients and
property owners, it is their right to be slime. Enough of our liberties have
been compromisesd and nibbled at by Big Brother as it is. Keep government out
of private property but regulate public lands as much as you want!


Regards,
Thomas R. Lipka
Paleontological/Geological Studies