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It just occurred to me why Stefan and I seem to be talking past one another. By saying "birds are dinosaurs" I'm making a statement about their phylogenetic ancestry whereas I think Stefan is objecting to birds being classified as dinosaurs. I see a distinction between these two statements. In fact, I don't insist by any means that birds be classified as dinosaurs (though I must admit that if I were making up a classification I would probably do so). Still I can understand and, in many cases, have sympathy for the recognition of non-monophyletic groups in certain instances. It is possible to be a cladist without advocating the overthrow of the entire nomenclatural system. Nevertheless, I think my argument about birds belonging to the dinosaur lineage and that lineage having survived to this day (a phylogenetic argument) still stands. At least until Stefan's next posting. Norm MacLeod
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