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Hola! Have been following all the comments about pros and cons of electronic journals and will not waste your time with another "me, too" reply. However, one pro/con I have not yet seen addressed is the issue of journal 'accreditation'. Since I work for one of the major paleo journals, I have had the pleasure of seeing lots of manuscripts over the last couple of years -- and it seems to me that there are two main reasons scientists seek publication of their studies. 1) Many (and hopefully most) scientists seek publication of their studies for the "greater good of science". This includes the desire to spread the news of one's findings, discoveries, etc. to as many fellow scientists as possible in order to facilitate information dissemination, recording of one's results, communication between different disciplines and potential co-workers, as well as to facilitate suggestions, comments, criticisms and comparisons from fellow scientists, etc.. 2) Some studies are submitted for publication simply for the sake of obtaining a publication. (*Note I said 'submitted' - NOT published) Although most studies undoubtably begin as an intention to explore new or untested hypotheses, many projects are undertaken because of the fact that "no-one else has done this before...looked at this in such and such amanner...etc." While I am in no way whatsoever criticizing this methodology (since many great projects evolve from these types of questions), it seems as though the pressure to 'publish or perish' tends to overload journals with manuscripts which describe mediocre attempts of these studies. Although many of these studies get 'dinged' in the review process, they nevertheless increase overall turn-around time and may get passed along to a less selective format. In addition, there seems to be a tremendous amount of fractionation of information from large-scale studies which is repeated/summarized in other formats. For example, how many folks out there have submitted results of a large-scale study in which several of the "nuggets" have already been reported on in Geology, Nature, Science, or possibly described in J of P? Or...how many studies are published both in journals as well as in "special publications" such as symposia volumes,etc.? Again, I am not in any way criticizing this mode of publication, because many of these outlets offer short turn-around times not available in many journals. (Maybe this should be a plug for electronic journals?) However, I am making the observation that there is a lot of fractionation going on out there (apologies to the isotope folks). In general, it seems as if most scientists attempt to publish 1) and 2) above in the "best" journal possible. Although a definition of "best" is sketchy, it may include factors such as rigor of the review process, calibre of published manuscripts, reputation, cost, turn-around time, and lack of 2) above. As has been already commented on on Paleonet, this leads to a "natural selection" of journals to which authors submit manuscripts. Into the author's decision on where and what to publish are factors such as the nature and size of the journal's audience. In addition, I suspect that many authors (particularly those seeking a job, up for tenure, etc.) strongly consider the reputation of the journal. For example, should the Asst. Prof. send his ground-breaking study of newt taphonomy to "Paleobiology" or to the "University of New Mexico Semi-Quarterly Reviews of Newt Studies"? Doesn't the Asst. Prof. consider whether his tenure committee, deans, etc. are going to have even heard of the latter journal? Where am I going with all this and how does it relate to "accreditation"? The question is-- how will universities, industry, government, and other professional organizations view electronic scientific journals? Will they be considered "less selective" or "grey literature"? Are there any physicists or mathematicians out there who could comment on how the electronic journals in these fields are viewed (especially -- how are they viewed by decision-makers such as deans, bosses, etc.)? Thus, will the "best" articles continue to be sent to paper journals, not because they are more selective, but because of their perceived reputations in the eyes of decision-makers? I imagine that folks submitting manuscripts b/c of 1) above (especially if tenured) will have little to lose and much to gain through electronic posting of their manuscripts. However, many folks whose heads are on or nearer the chopping block are under tremendous pressure to bring in $ to universities and to publish (esp. in the 'mainstream' literature). Although I don't know the answers to the above diatribe, I hope that Paleonetters may have suggestions as to how to avoid potential problems of journal 'accreditation'. I, for one, encourage the proliferation of an accredited electronic paleo journal. Even though a review process would still be needed (as well as an acting electronic editor with much spare time), the turn-around time for publication should far exceed the print journals. When coupled with the ever-increasing electronic audience, this should greatly facilitate 1) above. In addition, it seems to me that the best format for this may not be Paleonet (via ftp) but rather through WWW. Enough for now, Whitey Hagadorn ___________________________________________________________________________ Dept. of Earth Sciences U. of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0740 email: hagadorn@usc.edu ...surfing waves and the internet... ___________________________________________________________________________
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