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I also agree that we've had enough discussion about a problem that, thus far at least, hasn't been a problem. PaleoNet was created to enhance communication among paleontologists (which I define in the broad sense as any serious student of the science regardless of how he or she makes a living) about paleontology (which I also define in the broadest possible sense). Let's not worry about the cranks until they get here (then we'll send in the clowns). Now, about that Paleobiology issue, I agree it's very interesting. I'd like to briefly underscore something that Marshall says in his paper on strat. confidence intervals about interpretations of these mathematical constructs having to take stratigraphic reality into consideration. I couldn't agree more. However, there is a tendency in the strat. confidence interval literature to make the greatly simplifying, but stratigraphically unlikely, assumption that lithostratigraphic distance (e.g., between fossil occurrences) is equivalent to relative time throughout the known range of the taxon as well as beyond it's last (or first) occurrence. In order to accurately estimate the confidence interval using either the Sadler and Strauss, or the Marshall methods one needs an accurate method of inferring the gap size distribution. Since sediment accumulation rates vary, lithostratigraphic thickness cannot be used for this purpose. It may be that in particular sections or cores sediment accumulation rates are indeed constant enough to allow distance to be used as a proxy for time, but this must be demonstrated, not assumed. Moreover, constancy of lithology is not a valid test for either the continuity of the local stratigraphic record or the constancy of sediment accumulation rates - as those of us who deal with deep-sea cores know all too well. In short, in order to apply the important insights to be gained through the application of stratigraphic confidence intervals, we are going to have to become even more concerned with straightening out the detailed chronostratigraphy of our sections and cores. As a stratigrapher, I like the implications of that. Also, as someone who routinely deals with deep-sea cores I'm more optimistic that Charles Marshall about the applicability of his methods to deep-sea microfossil data. While it is true that the more abundant species do tend to show up in virtually every sample (implying very tight confidence limits about the first and last appearances of these taxa) such species usually make up only a small proportion of the overall taxic assemblage. Occurrence data for microfossils tends to follow either a log-normal or broken stick distribution with most microfossil taxa exhibiting a distinctly 'gappy' pattern. Unfortunately, the existence of these gaps is often obscured in the micropaleo. literature because of the tradition of drawing lines on our biostratigraphic and relative abundance charts over the samples contain no data for a particular species. Now that we understand that the gap distribution contains information that can be important we can only hope that this practice will be discontinued. One other thing, if these gaps are telling us anything about the spatio-temporal distribution of populations in the past then we should also be able to test a variety of interesting meta-population models using fossil data. That, however, is another story. Norm MacLeod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Norman MacLeod Senior Research Fellow N.MacLeod@nhm.ac.uk (Internet) N.MacLeod@uk.ac.nhm (Janet) Address: Dept. of Palaeontology, The Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD Office Phone: 071-938-9006 Dept. FAX: 071-938-9277 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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